Now there are many different layers of this stuff is the 
problem. Let me come over to the overhead and give some 
ideas about them.  What we have up here are innumerable 
alters. I'll tell you one of the fascinating things I've 
seen. I remember a little over a year ago coming in to see 
some cases, some of the tough cases at a dissociative-
disorders unit of a couple of the finest of the MPD 
therapists in this country, who are always part of all the 
international meetings, have lectured internationally. We 
worked and I look at some of their patients. They were 
amazed at certain things because they had not been aware of 
this before. As we worked with some of the patients and 
confirmed it, I remember one woman who'd been inpatient for 
three years, still was inpatient. Another who had one 
intensive year of inpatient work with all the finest MPD 
therapy you can imagine -- abreactions, integrations, 
facilitating cooperation, art therapy, on and on and on, 
journaling, intensively for one inpatient year followed by 
an intensive year of outpatient therapy two, three hours a 
week. In both patients we found out that all of this great 
work had done nothing but deal with the alters up here and 
had not touched the mind-control programming. In fact it was 
not only intact, but we found that the one who was 
outpatient was having her therapy monitored every session by 
her mother, out-of-state, over the telephone, and that she 
still had intact suggestions that had been give to her at a 
certain future time to kill her therapist. Now one of the 
things that I would very carefully check is, I would suggest 
that you ask the core, not just the unconscious mind, ask 
the core, "Is there any part inside that continues to have 
contact with people associated with the Cult? Is there any 
part inside who goes to Cult rituals or meetings? Is there a 
recording device inside of Mary," if that's the host's name, 
"a recording device inside so that someone can find out the 
things that are said in sessions?" This doesn't mean they're 
monitored. Many of them just simply have it. "Is there 
someone who debriefs some part inside for what happens in 
our therapy sessions?" I have the very uncomfortable feeling 
from some past experience that when you look at this you 
will find the large proportion of ritual-abuse victims in 
this country are having their ongoing therapy monitored.  I 
remember a woman who came in about twenty-four years old, 
claimed her father was a Satanist. Her parents divorced when 
she was six. After that it would only when her father had 
visitation and he would take her to rituals sometimes up 
until age fifteen. She said, "I haven't gone to anything 
since I was fifteen." Her therapist believed this at face 
value. We sat in my office. We did a two-hour inquiry using 
hypnosis. We found the programming present. In addition to 
that we found that every therapy session was debriefed and 
in fact they had told her to get sick and not come to the 
appointment with me. Another one had been told that I was 
Cult and that if she came I would know that she'd been told 
not to come and I would punish her. If anything meaningful 
comes out in a patient who's being monitored like that -- 
from what I've learned thus far, they're tortured with 
electric shocks -- my belief is if they're in that situation 
you can't do meaningful therapy other than being supportive 
and caring and letting them know you care a lot and you'll 
be there to support them. But I wouldn't try to work with 
any kind of deep material or deprogramming with them because 
I think it can do nothing but get them tortured and hurt 
unless they can get into a safe, secure inpatient unit for 
an extended period of time to do some of the work required. 
I have a feeling that when you make inquiries you're going 
to find that probably greater than fifty percent of these 
patients, if they're bloodline, meaning mother or dad or 
both involved, will be monitored on some ongoing basis. 
[Pause] Now when you come below the alters, you then have 
Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta, so and so forth, the Greek-letter 
programming and they will then have backup programs. There 
will typically be an erasure code for the backups.  There 
may be one code that combines all the backups into one and 
then an erasure code for them, simply one code that erases 
all the backups.  So I will get the code for, let's say, 
Omega and for all the Omega backups at the same time. After 
I've asked "What will happen if I give this," I will give 
the code and then I will say, "What are you experiencing?" 
They often describe computer whirring, things erasing, 
explosions inside, all sorts of interesting things.  I've 
had some therapists come back and say, "My Lord, I had never 
said anything about robots she said something about robots 
vaporizing." I remember one therapist who'd been with me in 
several hypnosis workshops and consulted with me about a 
crisis MPD situation. I told her to inquire about Alpha, 
Beta, Delta, Theta. She did. She got back to me saying, 
"Yeah, I got an indication it's there. What is it?" I said, 
"I'm not going to tell you. Go back and inquire about some 
of this." We set an appointment for a week or so hence. She 
got back with me and said, "I asked what Theta was and she 
said, 'psychic killers.' I asked her what Delta was and she 
said 'killers.'" Okay. So I told her about some of this 
stuff for a two-hour consult. She called back and she said, 
"This seemed too fantastic. I heard this and I thought, 'Has 
Cory been working too hard?'"  she said, I'm embarrassed to 
admit it, but she said, "I held you in high professional 
regard, but this just sounded so off in the twilight zone 
that I really thought, 'Is he having a nervous breakdown or 
something?'" She said, "But I respected you enough to ask 
about this." She said, "I asked another MPD patient and she 
didn't have any of this." So in this patient she started 
describing things and how she worked, for example, with an 
erasure and she was describing things like robots vaporizing 
and kinds of things.  She said, "I hadn't told her about any 
of these things." Well, here's the problem. There are 
different layers and I think some of them are designed to 
keep us going in circles forever. They figured we probably, 
in most cases, wouldn't get below the alters which they 
purposefully created. 

   The way you create Manchurian Candidates is you divide 
the mind. It's part of what the Intelligence Community 
wanted to look at. If you're going to get an assassin, 
you're going to get somebody to go do something, you divide 
the mind. It fascinates me about cases like the 
assassination of Robert Kennedy, where Bernard Diamond, on 
examining Sirhan Sirhan found that he had total amnesia of 
the killing of Robert Kennedy, but under hypnosis could 
remember it.  But despite  suggestions he would be able to 
consciously remember, could not remember a thing after was 
out of hypnosis. I'd love to examine Sirhan Sirhan. 

   It appears that below this we've got some other layers. 
One is called "Green Programming" it appears. Isn't it 
interesting that the doctor's name is Dr. Green? One of the 
questions in a way that does not contaminate is after I've 
identified some of this stuff is there and they've given me 
a few right answers about what some of it is, "If there were 
a doctor associated with this programming and his name were 
a color, you know, like Dr.  Chartreuse or something, if his 
name were a color, what color would the color be?" Now once 
in a while I've had some other colors mentioned in about 
three or four patients that I felt were trying to 
dissimulate in some way and I don't really believe had this. 
In one case I got another color and I found out later it was 
a doctor whose name was a color who was being trained by Dr. 
Green almost thirty years ago and he supervised part of the 
programming of this woman under this doctor. I remember one 
woman couldn't come up with anything. No alter would speak 
up with anything. I said, "Okay," and we went on to some 
other material.  About two minutes later she said, "Green. 
Do you mean Dr. Green?" We found this all over. There 
appears to be some Green Programming below that and I 
suspect that you get down to fewer and more central programs 
the deeper you go. Well, all Green Programming is Ultra-
Green and the Green Tree. Cabalistic mysticism is mixed all 
into this. If you're going to work with this you need to 
pick up a couple of books on the Cabala. One is by a man 
named Dion Fortune called "Qabala" with a "q," Dion Fortune. 
Another is by Ann Williams-Heller and it's called "The 
Kabbalah." I knew nothing about the Cabala. It was 
interesting. A patient had sat in my waiting area, got there 
considerably early and drew a detailed multicolored 
Cabalistic Tree over two years ago. It took me two months to 
figure out what it was. Finally, showing it to somebody else 
who said, "You know? That looks an awful lot like the Cabala 
Tree" and that rang a bell with some esoteric in an old book 
and I dug it out. That was the background of Dr.  Green. 

   Now the interesting thing about the Green Tree is his 
original name was Greenbaum. What does "greenbaum" mean in 
German? Green Tree, Ultra-Tree and the Green Tree. I've also 
had patients who didn't appear to know that his original 
name was Greenbaum, volunteered that there were parts inside 
named Mr.  Greenbaum. Now let me give you some information 
about parts inside that may be helpful to you if you're 
going to inquire about these things, because my experience 
is one part will give you some information and either run 
dry or get defensive or scared and stop. and so you punt and 
you make an end run and you come around the other direction, 
you find another part. I'll tell you several parts to ask 
for and ask if there's a part by this name. And, by the way, 
when I'm screening patients and fiddling around with this, I 
throw in a bunch of spurious ones and ask, "Is there a part 
inside by this name and by that name" as a check on whether 
or not it appears genuine. For example. "In addition to the 
core," I ask, "is there a part inside named Wisdom?" Wisdom 
is a part of the Cabalistic Tree. Wisdom, I've often found, 
will be helpful and give you a lot of information. "Is there 
a part inside named Diana?" I mean I may throw in all sorts 
of things. "Is there a part inside named Zelda?" I've never 
encountered one yet! Just to see what kind of answers we 
get. I try to do this carefully.  Diana is a part that, in 
the Cabalistic system, is associated with a part called the 
Foundation. You will be fascinated to know that. Remember 
the Process Church? Roman Polanski's wife, Sharon Tate, was 
killed by the Manson Family who were associated with the 
Process Church? A lot of prominent people in Hollywood were 
associated and then they went underground, the books say, in 
about seventy-eight and vanished? Well, they're alive and 
well in southern Utah. We have a thick file in the Utah 
Department of Public Safety documenting that they moved to 
southern Utah, north of Monument Valley, bought a movie 
ranch in the desert, renovated it, expanded it, built a 
bunch of buildings there, carefully monitored so that very 
few people go out of there and no one can get in and changed 
their name. A key word in their name is "Foundation." The 
Foundation.  There are some other words. The Foundation is 
part of the Tree. So you can ask, "Is there something inside 
known as The Foundation?" I might ask other things to throw 
people off. "Is there something known as the Sub- Basement?" 
Well, maybe they'll conceive of something. Or "Is there 
something known as the Walls?" There are a variety of 
questions you can come up with, to sort of screen some 
things.  I've also found that there will often be a part 
called "Black Master," a part called "Master Programmer," 
and that there will be computer operators inside. How many 
of you have come into computer things in patients? There 
will typically be computer operators: Computer Operator 
Black, Computer Operator Green, Computer Operator Purple. 
Sometimes they'll have numbers instead, sometimes they'll be 
called Systems Information Directors. You can find out the 
head one of those. There'll be a source of some information 
for you. I will ask inside, "Is there a part inside named 
Dr. Green?" You'll find that there are, if they have this 
kind of programming, in my experience. Usually with a little 
work and reframing, you can turn them and help them to 
realize that they were really a child-part who's playing a 
role and they had no choice then, but they do now.  You 
know, they played their role very, very well, but they don't 
have to continue to play it with you because they're safe 
here and in fact, "If the Cult simply found out that you 
talked to me, that they you had shared information with me, 
you tell me what would they do to you?" Emphasize that the 
only way out is through me and that they need to cooperate 
and share information and help me and that I'll help them. 
So all these parts can give you various information. Now 
they have tried to protect this very carefully. Let me give 
you an example with Ultra-Green. I discovered this -- by the 
way I used to think this programming was only in bloodline 
people. I've discovered it in non-bloodline people, but it's 
a bit different. They don't want it to be just the same. I 
don't think you'll find deep things like Ultra-Green and 
probably not even Green Programming with non-bloodline 
people. But let me tell you something that I discovered 
first in a non-bloodline and then in a bloodline. We were 
going along and a patient was close to getting well, 
approaching final integration in a non-bloodline and she 
suddenly started hallucinating and her fingers were becoming 
hammers and other things like that. So I used an affect-
bridge and we went back and we found that what happened was 
that they gave suggestions, that if she ever got well to a 
certain point she would go crazy. The way they did this was 
they strapped her down and they gave her LSD when she was 
eight years old. When she began hallucinating they inquired 
about the nature of the hallucinations so they could utilize 
them in good Ericsonian fashion and build on them and then 
combine the drug-effect with powerful suggestions. "If you 
ever get to this point you will go crazy. If you ever get 
fully integrated and get well you will go crazy like this 
and will be locked up in an institution for the rest of your 
life. They gave those suggestions vigorously and 
repetitively. Finally they introduced other suggestions 
that, "Rather than have this happen, it would be easier to 
just kill yourself." In a bloodline patient then, as I began 
inquiring about deep material, the patient started to 
experience similar symptoms. We went back and we found the 
identical things were done to her. 

   This was called the "Green Bomb."  B-O-M-B. Lots of 
interesting internal consistencies like that play on words 
with Dr. Greenbaum, his original name. Now in this case it 
was done to her at age nine for the first time and then only 
hers was different. Hers was a suggestion for amnesia.  "If 
you ever remember anything about Ultra-Green and the Green 
Tree you will go crazy. You will become a vegetable and be 
locked up forever." Then finally the suggestions added, "And 
it'll be easier to just kill yourself than have that happen 
to you, if you ever remember it." At age twelve then, three 
years later, they used what sounds like an Amytol interview 
to try to breach the amnesia and find out if they could. 
They couldn't. So then they strapped her down again, took 
and gave her something to kind of paralyze her body, gave 
her LSD, an even bigger dose and reinforced all the 
suggestions. Did a similar thing at the age of sixteen.  So 
these are some of the kind of booby traps you run into. 
There are a number of cases where they combined powerful 
drug effects like this with suggestions to keep us from 
discovering some of this deeper level stuff. What's the 
bottom? Your guess is as good as mine but I can tell you 
that I've had a lot of therapists who were stymied with 
these cases who were going nowhere. In fact someone here 
that I told some basic information about this to in Ohio a 
couple of months ago said it opened all sorts of things up 
in a patient who'd been going nowhere. That's an often 
common thing. I think that we can move down to deeper levels 
and if we deal with some of the deeper level stuff it may 
destroy all the stuff above it. But we don't even know that 
yet. In some of the patients I'm working with we have pretty 
much dealt with a lot of the top-level stuff. I'll tell you 
how we've done some of that.  We'll take and erase one 
system like Omega. Then we will have a huge abreaction of 
all the memories and feelings in a fractionated abreaction 
associated with those parts. I typically find I'll say to 
them, "Now that we've done this are there any other memories 
and feelings that any parts that were Omega still have?" The 
answer's usually "No." At that point I will say, "I usually 
find at this point in time the majority, if not all, of 
those parts that used to be Omega no longer feel a desire or 
need to be different, realizing that you split off 
originally by them and want to go home to Mary and become 
one with her again." I use the concept often now -- which 
came from a patient -- of going home and becoming one with 
her. "Going back from whence you came" is another phrase 
I'll use with them. "Are there any Omega parts inside who do 
not feel comfortable with that or have reservations or 
concerns about that?" If there are we talk to them. We deal 
with them. A few may not integrate. My experience is most of 
the time they'll integrate and we may integrate twenty-five 
parts at once in a polyfragmented complex MPD. I think it is 
vitally important to abreact the feelings before you go on. 
Also for many patients it hasn't seemed to matter the order 
we go in but I've found a couple where it has. If it doesn't 
seem to matter I'll typically go Omega, then Delta because 
they have more violence potential, then Gamma to get rid of 
the self-deception stuff. What I will do before I just 
assume anything and do that, is once we've done Omega and 
showed them that success can occur and something can happen 
and they feel relief after, I will say to them, "I want to 
ask the core -- through the fingers -- is there a specific 
order in which programs must be erased?" You know maybe it 
doesn't matter but most of the time I found "No."  There are 
cases where we found "Yes." I recommend doing one or two or 
three of those because they'll produce relief and and a 
sense of optimism in the patient.  But then I would 
recommend starting to probe for the deeper level things and 
getting their input and recommendations about the order in 
which we go.   Question? 


